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V. Буди, буди!

So Be It! So Be It!

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    The elder's absence from the cell lasted about twenty-five minutes.

    Отсутствиеabsenceотсутствие · noun, nominative, neuter, singularsubject of продолжалось
    старцаthe elder'sстарец · noun, genitive, masculine, singularmodifies Отсутствие
    изfromиз · prepositionpreposition marking кельи
    кельиthe cellкелья · noun, genitive, feminine, singularmodifies Отсутствие
    продолжалосьlastedпродолжаться · verb, past, indicative, middle, singular, imperfectivemain verb of the sentence
    минутminutesминута · noun, genitive, feminine, pluraloblique complement of продолжалось
    околоaboutоколо · prepositionpreposition marking пяти
    двадцатиtwentyдвадцать · numeral, genitivequantifies пяти
    пятиfiveпять · numeral, genitivequantifies минут
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    It was already past half past twelve, and Dmitri Fyodorovich, for whose sake they had all assembled, still had not appeared.

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    But they had almost as good as forgotten him, and when the elder stepped back into the cell he found the liveliest general conversation in progress among his guests.

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    Taking part in the conversation were, above all, Ivan Fyodorovich and the two hieromonks.

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    Miusov too kept breaking in, and apparently with great heat, but again he had no luck; he was plainly relegated to the second rank, and they hardly even answered him, so that this new circumstance only intensified the irritation that had been mounting in him all along.

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    The thing was that even before this he had crossed swords once or twice with Ivan Fyodorovich over matters of learning, and he could not coolly endure a certain offhandedness in the man toward him: "Up to now, at the very least, I have stood at the height of everything most advanced in Europe, and yet this new generation flatly ignores us," he thought to himself.

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    Fyodor Pavlovich, who had himself given his word to sit still on his chair and hold his tongue, did indeed keep silent for a while, but he watched his neighbor Pyotr Alexandrovich with a mocking little smile and was plainly delighted by his irritation.

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    He had long been meaning to pay him back for one thing and another, and now he had no wish to let the chance slip.

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    At last he could hold out no longer, leaned toward his neighbor's shoulder, and in an undertone needled him once again:

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    "Now why didn't you leave just now, after that 'and lovingly did kiss him,' and instead consented to remain in such unseemly company?"

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    It was because you felt humiliated and insulted, and you stayed in order to display your wit by way of revenge.

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    Now you won't leave until you have paraded your cleverness before them.

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    "You again?

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    On the contrary, I am leaving this instant."

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    "Later, you'll be the last of all to go!" Fyodor Pavlovich jabbed once more.

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    This was almost at the very moment of the elder's return.

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    The dispute died down for a minute, but the elder, having settled into his former place, looked round at them all as though cordially inviting them to continue.

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    Alyosha, who had studied almost every expression of his face, saw clearly that he was dreadfully worn out and was forcing himself.

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    Of late, in his illness, he had been subject to fainting fits brought on by exhaustion.

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    Almost the same pallor as before a fainting fit was spreading over his face even now, and his lips had turned white.

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    But he evidently did not wish to break up the gathering; it seemed, moreover, that he had some purpose of his own in this — but what could it be?

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    Alyosha watched him intently.

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    "We are discussing a most curious article of his," said the hieromonk Iosif, the librarian, turning to the elder and pointing to Ivan Fyodorovich.

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    "He draws a great deal that is new, but the idea, it seems, cuts both ways.

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    On the question of the ecclesiastical court and the scope of its jurisdiction, he answered in a journal article a certain churchman who had written a whole book on the matter..."

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    "Unfortunately I have not read your article, but I have heard of it," replied the elder, gazing keenly and intently at Ivan Fyodorovich.

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    "He stands on a most curious point," the father librarian went on, "in that, on the question of the ecclesiastical court, he apparently rejects altogether the separation of Church from State."

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    "That is curious, but in what sense?" the elder asked Ivan Fyodorovich.

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    At last the latter answered him, not with the condescending courtesy Alyosha had still been dreading the day before, but modestly and with restraint, with evident deference and, to all appearances, without the slightest ulterior motive.

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    "I proceed from the position that this blending of the elements — that is, of the essences of Church and State taken separately — will of course be everlasting, despite the fact that it is impossible and that it can never be brought into a state that is normal, or even in any degree reconcilable, because a lie lies at the very foundation of the matter.

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    A compromise between State and Church on questions such as, for example, that of jurisdiction, is in my view impossible in its perfect and pure essence.

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    The churchman with whom I was taking issue maintains that the Church occupies a precise and definite place within the State.

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    I objected to him that, on the contrary, the Church ought to contain the whole State within itself, and not merely occupy some corner of it, and that if at present this is for some reason impossible, then in the essence of things it must undoubtedly be set up as the direct and chief aim of all the further development of Christian society."

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    "Perfectly true!" said Father Paissy, the silent and learned hieromonk, firmly and nervously.

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    "The purest Ultramontanism!" cried Miusov, impatiently recrossing his legs.

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    "Eh, but we have no mountains!" exclaimed Father Iosif, and, turning to the elder, went on: "They answer, among other things, the following 'fundamental and essential' propositions of their opponent, the churchman, mark you.

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    First: that 'no social union can or ought to arrogate to itself the power to dispose of the civil and political rights of its members.'

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    Second: that 'criminal and civil-judicial authority ought not to belong to the Church and is incompatible with its nature, both as a divine institution and as a union of men for religious ends,' and finally, in the third place: that 'the Church is a kingdom not of this world.'"

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    "A most unworthy play on words for a churchman!" Father Paissy could not contain himself and broke in once more.

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    "I have read the book you were taking issue with," he said, turning to Ivan Fyodorovich, "and I was astonished by the churchman's words, that 'the Church is a kingdom not of this world.'

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    If it is not of this world, then it follows that it cannot exist on earth at all.

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    In the holy Gospel the words 'not of this world' are not used in that sense.

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    One cannot play with such words.

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    Our Lord Jesus Christ came precisely to establish the Church upon earth.

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    The Kingdom of Heaven, to be sure, is not of this world but in heaven, yet one enters it in no other way than through the Church, which is founded and established upon earth.

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    And therefore worldly puns in this sense are impossible and unworthy.

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    The Church is in very truth a kingdom and is ordained to reign, and at its end it must without doubt appear as a kingdom over all the earth — of which we have the promise..."

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    He suddenly fell silent, as though checking himself.

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    Ivan Fyodorovich, having heard him out respectfully and attentively, with extraordinary composure but as readily and openheartedly as before, continued, addressing the elder:

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    "The whole thought of my article is that in ancient times, in the first three centuries of Christianity, Christianity on earth appeared solely as the Church and was nothing but the Church.

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    But when the pagan Roman State desired to become Christian, it inevitably came about that, in becoming Christian, it merely took the Church into itself, while it continued itself to remain a pagan State as before, in an extraordinary number of its functions.

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    In essence this is undoubtedly how it was bound to happen.

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    But in Rome, as a State, far too much was left over from pagan civilization and wisdom — for example, the very aims and foundations of the State.

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    The Church of Christ, however, on entering into the State, could without doubt yield nothing of its own foundations, of that rock on which it stood, and could only pursue, in no other way, its own aims, once firmly set and appointed to it by the Lord himself — among them, to convert the whole world, and consequently the whole ancient pagan State as well, into the Church.

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    In this way (that is, with the future in view), it is not the Church that should seek a definite place for itself within the State, like 'any social union' or like 'a union of men for religious ends' (as the author I am disputing describes the Church), but, on the contrary, every earthly State should in the end be wholly transformed into the Church and become nothing else but the Church, having now cast off any of its own aims that are at variance with those of the Church.

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    None of this would in any way debase the State, would rob it of neither honor nor glory as a great State, nor of the glory of its rulers, but would only set it from the false, still pagan and mistaken road onto the right and true road, the only one leading to eternal ends.

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    That is why the author of the book On the Foundations of the Ecclesiastical Court would have judged rightly if, in seeking out and proposing these foundations, he had regarded them as a temporary compromise, still necessary in our sinful and unconsummated age — but no more than that.

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    But the moment the framer of these foundations ventures to declare that the foundations he now proposes, some of which Father Iosif has just enumerated, are unshakable, elemental, and everlasting, he goes straight against the Church and against its holy, everlasting, and unshakable destiny.

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    There you have my whole article, the full summary of it."

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    "That is to say, in two words," pronounced Father Paissy again, laying weight on every word, "according to certain theories that have grown all too plain in this nineteenth century of ours, the Church ought to be transformed into the State, as though from a lower into a higher species, so as then to vanish into it, giving way to science, the spirit of the age, and civilization.

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    And if it refuses this and resists, then it is allotted within the State only a kind of corner, and that under supervision — and this is everywhere in our time, in the modern lands of Europe.

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    But by the Russian understanding and hope, it should be not that the Church is transformed into the State, as from a lower into a higher type, but, on the contrary, that the State should end by being found worthy to become solely the Church and nothing else whatever.

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    So be it, then; so be it!"

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    "Well, I confess you have now somewhat heartened me," Miusov smiled, recrossing his legs once more.

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    "As far as I understand, this is, then, the realization of some ideal, infinitely remote, at the Second Coming.

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    That is as you please.

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    A lovely utopian dream of the disappearance of wars, diplomats, banks, and so forth.

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    Something even resembling socialism.

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    But I had thought all this was meant in earnest, and that the Church would now, for example, try criminal cases and sentence men to the rod and to penal servitude, and perhaps even to death."

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    "But even if there were nothing now but the ecclesiastical court, even now the Church would not send men to penal servitude or to death.

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    Crime, and the view taken of it, would undoubtedly have to change then, little by little, of course, not suddenly and not at once, but still fairly soon..." said Ivan Fyodorovich calmly and without batting an eyelid.

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    "Are you in earnest?" Miusov said, looking at him intently.

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    "If everything became the Church, then the Church would excommunicate the criminal and the disobedient from itself, and would not then cut off heads," Ivan Fyodorovich went on.

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    "I ask you, where would the excommunicated man go?

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    For then he would have to go away not only from men, as now, but from Christ as well.

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    For by his crime he would have risen up not only against men, but against the Church of Christ.

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    This is so even now, of course, in the strict sense, but it is nonetheless not proclaimed, and the conscience of the present-day criminal very, very often enters into bargains with itself: 'I stole,' he tells himself, 'but I am not going against the Church, I am no enemy of Christ' — that is what the present-day criminal tells himself time and again; yet then, when the Church takes the place of the State, it would be hard for him to say such a thing, except by denying the whole Church over all the earth: 'Everyone is mistaken,' he would have to say, 'everyone has gone astray, all of it is a false Church, and I alone, a murderer and a thief, am the true Christian Church.'

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    That is a very hard thing to say to oneself; it demands enormous conditions, circumstances that do not often occur.

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    Now, on the other hand, take the view of crime held by the Church itself: must it not change from its present, almost pagan, view, and from the mechanical cutting off of an infected member, as is done nowadays for the protection of society, be transfigured — and now fully and without falsehood — into the idea of the rebirth of the man anew, of his resurrection and his salvation..."

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    "But what on earth does this mean?

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    I am ceasing to understand again," Miusov interrupted, "some sort of dream again.

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    Something shapeless, and impossible even to make sense of.

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    What is this excommunication, what kind of excommunication?

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    I suspect you are simply amusing yourself, Ivan Fyodorovich."

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    "But in truth it is the very same even now," the elder suddenly began to speak, and all of them at once turned to him, "for if there were now no Church of Christ, there would be nothing whatever to restrain the criminal in his wrongdoing, nor any chastisement for it afterward — that is, real chastisement, not the mechanical kind they spoke of just now, which in most cases only embitters the heart, but the real chastisement, the only effective one, the only one that both deters and brings peace, lying in the awareness of one's own conscience."

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    "How is that, may I ask?" Miusov asked with the liveliest curiosity.

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    "It is like this," the elder began.

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    "All these deportations to hard labor, and formerly with flogging too, reform no one, and, what is more, hardly deter any criminal at all, and the number of crimes, far from diminishing, grows greater the further it goes.

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    Surely you must agree with this.

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    And it turns out that society, in this way, is not protected at all, for although the harmful member is cut off mechanically and sent far away, out of sight, another criminal at once appears in his place, and perhaps two others.

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    If anything does protect society even in our time, and even reforms the criminal himself and transforms him into another man, it is, once again, solely the law of Christ, making itself heard in the awareness of one's own conscience.

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    Only by acknowledging his guilt as a son of Christ's society, that is, of the Church, does he acknowledge his guilt before society itself, that is, before the Church.

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    Thus it is before the Church alone that the modern criminal is even capable of acknowledging his guilt, and not before the State.

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    Now if jurisdiction belonged to society as the Church, then it would know whom to bring back from excommunication and reunite once more to itself.

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    As it is, the Church, having no active jurisdiction at all but only the power of moral condemnation, itself holds back from any active chastisement of the criminal.

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    It does not excommunicate him from itself, but only does not abandon him to fatherly admonition.

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    More than that, it even strives to preserve all Christian communion of the Church with the criminal: it admits him to the church services, to the Holy Gifts, gives him alms, and treats him more as a captive than as a guilty man.

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    And what would become of the criminal, O Lord, if Christian society too, that is, the Church, were to reject him in the same way that the civil law rejects and cuts him off?

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    What would become of him if the Church too were to punish him with its excommunication at once and every time, hard on the heels of the punishment of the law of the State?

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    Surely there could be no greater despair, at least for a Russian criminal, for Russian criminals still believe.

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    And yet, who knows: perhaps something terrible would come to pass then — a loss of faith might come about, perhaps, in the despairing heart of the criminal, and then what?

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    But the Church, like a tender and loving mother, holds back from any active chastisement, since even without its punishment the guilty man is all too painfully punished by the court of the State, and someone, at least, must take pity on him.

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    But it holds back chiefly because the court of the Church is the only court that contains within it the truth, and which therefore cannot, in essence and in morality, join with any other court even in a temporary compromise.

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    Here one can no longer enter into bargains.

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    The foreign criminal, they say, rarely repents, for the very teachings of our day confirm him in the thought that his crime is not a crime but only a rising up against an unjustly oppressing force.

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    Society cuts him off from itself wholly mechanically, with a force that triumphs over him, and accompanies this excommunication with hatred (so at least they themselves relate of themselves, in Europe) — with hatred and with utter indifference to and oblivion of his further fate as that of a brother.

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    Thus everything proceeds without the least churchly compassion, for in many cases there are no churches there at all any longer, but only churchmen and magnificent church buildings have remained, while the churches themselves have long been striving there to pass over from the lower species, the Church, into the higher species, the State, so as to vanish into it entirely.

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    So it is, it seems, at least in the Lutheran lands.

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    But in Rome the State has already been proclaimed in place of the Church for a thousand years.

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    And therefore the criminal himself no longer recognizes himself as a member of the Church and, excommunicated, abides in despair.

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    And if he returns to society, it is often with such hatred that society itself, as it were, already excommunicates him from itself.

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    How this will end, you can judge for yourselves.

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    In many cases, it would seem, it is the same with us too; but the very point is that, besides the established courts, we have, over and above them, the Church as well, which never loses communion with the criminal as with a dear son still precious to it, and besides this there exists and is preserved, if only in thought, the court of the Church too — now inactive, it is true, but still living for the future, if only in a dream, and undoubtedly recognized by the criminal himself, by the instinct of his soul.

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    True too is what was said here just now, that if the court of the Church really came into being, and in all its force — that is, if all of society were transformed into nothing but the Church — then not only would the court of the Church influence the reform of the criminal as it never influences it nowadays, but, perhaps, the very crimes themselves would actually diminish to an incredible degree.

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    And the Church too, there is no doubt, would understand the future criminal and the future crime in many cases quite differently than it does now, and would be able to bring back the excommunicated, to forestall the one who plotted evil, and to regenerate the fallen.

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    True," the elder smiled, "now Christian society itself is as yet not ready, and stands only upon seven righteous men; but since they do not fail, it abides nonetheless unshaken, awaiting its full transfiguration from a society that is still an almost pagan union into the one universal and sovereign Church.

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    So be it, then; so be it, though it be even at the end of the ages, for to this alone is it appointed to come to pass!

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    And there is no need to trouble ourselves over times and seasons, for the mystery of times and seasons rests in the wisdom of God, in his foresight, and in his love.

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    And what by human reckoning may yet be very far off, by God's predestination may, perhaps, already stand on the eve of its coming, at the very doors.

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    And this last too — so be it, so be it.

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    "So be it! So be it!" Father Paisy confirmed, reverently and sternly.

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    "Strange — strange in the highest degree!" pronounced Miusov, not exactly with heat, but as though with some sort of suppressed indignation.

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    "And what is it that strikes you as so strange?" Father Iosif inquired cautiously.

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    "But what on earth is this, really?" exclaimed Miusov, as if suddenly breaking loose. "The state is abolished on earth, and the Church is raised to the rank of the state!"

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    This is not ultramontanism — this is arch-ultramontanism!

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    Pope Gregory the Seventh never even dreamed of such a thing!

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    "You are pleased to understand it exactly backwards!" Father Paisy said severely. "It is not the Church that turns into the state — understand that.

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    That is Rome and its dream.

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    That is the third temptation of the devil!

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    On the contrary, it is the state that turns into the Church, that rises up to the Church and becomes the Church over all the earth — which is something altogether opposite to ultramontanism, and to Rome, and to your interpretation, and is nothing other than the great destiny of Orthodoxy upon the earth.

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    From the East shall this star arise."

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    Miusov fell silent with an air of weight.

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    His whole figure expressed an extraordinary sense of his own dignity.

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    A loftily condescending smile appeared on his lips.

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    Alyosha watched it all with a violently pounding heart.

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    This whole conversation had stirred him to his very foundations.

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    By chance he glanced at Rakitin; the latter was standing motionless in his former place by the door, listening and watching intently, though with his eyes lowered.

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    But from the lively flush on his cheeks Alyosha guessed that Rakitin too was stirred, and, it seemed, no less than he was himself; and Alyosha knew what it was that stirred him.

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    "Allow me to relate to you one little anecdote, gentlemen," Miusov suddenly brought out, with weight and with a peculiarly stately air.

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    "In Paris, some several years ago now, soon after the coup of December, I happened once, while paying a call as an acquaintance upon a certain very, very important personage who was then in charge of affairs, to come upon a most exceedingly curious gentleman there.

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    This individual was not exactly a detective, but something like the supervisor of a whole squad of political detectives — a fairly influential post of its kind.

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    Seizing the occasion, out of extraordinary curiosity, I struck up a conversation with him; and since he had been received not as an acquaintance but as a subordinate official who had come with a report of a certain sort, then, seeing for his part how I was received by his superior, he honored me with a certain candor — well, of course, only within certain bounds; that is, he was sooner courteous than candid, courteous in just the way the French know how to be, the more so since he saw in me a foreigner.

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    But I understood him very well.

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    The subject turned on the socialist-revolutionaries, who at that time, among other things, were being persecuted.

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    Passing over the main substance of the conversation, I will cite only one most curious remark that this little gentleman suddenly let slip: 'We,' he said, 'are not, strictly speaking, so very much afraid of all these socialists — the anarchists, the godless, and the revolutionaries; we keep watch on them, and their movements are known to us.

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    But there are among them, though not many, a few of a special sort: these are men who believe in God and are Christians, and at the very same time are socialists.

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    It is precisely these we fear more than all the rest — a terrible breed of people!

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    A Christian socialist is more terrible than a godless socialist.'

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    Those words struck me even then, but now, here among you, gentlemen, they have somehow suddenly come back to my mind..."

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    "That is, you are applying them to us and see socialists in us?" Father Paisy asked, directly and without circumlocution.

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    But before Pyotr Alexandrovich could think how to give an answer, the door opened and in came Dmitri Fyodorovich, who had been so long awaited.

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    They had indeed all but given up expecting him, and his sudden appearance produced, for the first moment, even a certain astonishment.

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Братья Карамазовы, Fyodor Dostoevsky. Book II — An Unfortunate Gathering.
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